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A former councillor has written a long letter of Objections to the AGAR and sent it to both the council and the Auditor.
The auditor as acknowledged it, the council has not yet.
The clerk is saying the council does not have to respond to all the Objections just acknowledge receipt of the Objections. The Auditor has informed the Clerk that the Objections must be published on the next Agenda and the name of the Objector redacted and reference to the person must be only as "The Objector".  The Clerk then promptly send around this advice to all councillors on which the auditor had included the Objector's email address and the Clerk claims she accidentally forgot to remove the email address BUT in any event the council know who it is from the content of the Objections.
Does anyone know the process or what happens - the clerk is also saying the Objector has to arrange to come in and discuss their objections with the council. BUT the Auditors advice clearly states that if no formal response is forthcoming from the council the Auditor will investigate and review the Objections at a cost of £2458 a day!!
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It seems that the choice for the council is to directly investigate and respond to the objection, or have the external auditor to do the same job at a cost of £2.5K per day. Isn’t the course of action obvious?
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Yes but when you have a clerk who is forcefully telling them to ignore it....and resigned the day after the objections (coincidence or consequence who knows?) but is still influentially working out their notice....they don't know which way is up!
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Reading the notice that must be published with the notice of exercise of electors rights, there seems to be a difference in whether an elector raises queries about the accounts or objections.   Whilst all are governed by the Local Audit and Accountability Act 2014 and Accounts and Audit Regulations 2015, queries should be raised with the council for a response first while objections (examples given in the notice include things like unlawful payments) are to be raised directly with the auditors with a copy to the council.  The notice is careful to state that an objection does not include where the elector simply disagrees with a council decision or course of action but where there are grounds for identifying a payment as unlawful.
It is certainly the case that the external auditor will charge for their work in responding to an objection but the figure quoted is not something I've heard before.  In fact, they can legitimately refuse to deal with an objection if the cost of doing so is excessive compare with the payment that is being objected to.
it sounds to me as if there are some crossed wires here.
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Important documents (including supporting documents for submission and publicising public rights), guidance and other links

https://www.pkf-l.com/services/limited-assurance-regime/useful-information-and-links/

This is a link to the guidance documents issued by PKF-Littlejohn, they do our External Auditing, you may use another one.

Have you seen the document that the clerk is telling you that they have received? It doesn’t sound right and you might need to see it with your own eyes. You can also check with the EA in a general way, what the process is. I wouldn’t rely solely on what you are being told is happening here, as it sounds wrong.

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the clerk has resigned is asking for garden leave/pay off and presumably once they are gone the whole thing goes away?
Why would you think this goes away simply because the clerk has left?  It is the responsibility of the council, not their employee (past or present) to deal with this!
I agree with DBW.  In fact, the council's position is worsened because it has the same problem but less opportunity to resolve it (because the person with the answers has now left the organisation).
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Reading about the AGAR I have certainly learnt an awful lot.
Thank you
In relation to the clerk revealing the email address of the objector, which in my opinion is a breach of GDPR then a complaint would be justified to the ICO. Accident or not the revelation to others is surely unacceptable .
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Hi  Just out of interest, are the objections to the numbers in the AGAR report, or where the ticks are?  Ie has the council said it is perfect, but the ex councillor disagrees?
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There are rules but essentially yes you are objecting to the assertions on the AGAR - so where yes has been ticked the objection is raised because that assertion hasn't been met by the council for a variety of reasons....from the auditor this was received:
Please find below some general information on the objection process that is applicable during the public rights period this summer, in relation to the authority’s 2023/24 Annual Governance and Accountability Return (AGAR) (which comprises the Annual Governance Statement (Section 1) and the Accounting Statements (Section 2)). As you will see from the information below and the guidance, our remit as appointed auditors is quite narrow and all costs of any additional work that we carry out in response to challenges to the AGAR are met by the authority (and therefore the local taxpayers through increased council tax). The costs are set by Smaller Authorities Audit Appointments Ltd (SAAA) and additional work as a result of challenge correspondence received is carried out by an engagement lead at a cost to the authority of £355 per hour plus VAT, i.e. £2,485 per day plus VAT.

Who can raise an objection?
You can only object to the AGAR if you are an elector of the authority in question; that means you must be registered on the electoral register for the geographical area covered by the authority on the date that an objection is raised. If you are not registered on the electoral roll of the authority, you may still raise issues with us that we may choose to consider during our review work; such issues are referred to as ‘information brought to the auditor’s attention’ rather than objections. In this situation, we do not formally respond to you directly with the results of our consideration. Please find below a link to the National Audit Office (NAO) document which explains the rights of an elector to raise issues with us during the public rights period: https://www.nao.org.uk/code-audit-practice/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2015/03/Council-accounts-a-guide-to-your-rights.pdf

What you can and can’t object to
You may have concerns relating to matters that are referred to in an authority’s annual governance statement or matters of wider concern arising from items of the authority’s accounting statements; these are the only matters that fall within our remit as appointed auditors and can form the basis for an objection to the 2023/24 AGAR. Please refer to our website for details of the limited assurance regime: https://www.pkf-l.com/services/limited-assurance-regime/ The website also includes a copy of the Practitioners' Guide (PG); Sections 1 and 2 of which constitute proper practices which the authority must follow when preparing its AGAR.

It is helpful for objectors to frame their objections using the mandatory bullet points specified for each governance assertion within Section 1 of the PG, i.e. pages 8 – 14, or by referring to Section 2 of the PG in respect of objections to incorrect or unlawful items of account, i.e. pages 15 – 22. If an objection does not relate to either a mandatory governance requirement, a material inaccuracy in the accounting statements or an unlawful item of account, then it cannot be considered to be eligible.

Please note the following important points regarding our limited remit as appointed auditors:

we have no power to enforce the proper provision for the exercise of public rights, as these are the rights of an individual – we can only contact the authority and remind it of its obligations;
concerns regarding matters of policy cannot form the basis for an eligible objection, i.e. just because an elector does not agree with an authority’s decision, that does not make it an unlawful decision;
we cannot re-examine closed years' governance or accounts, only items included in the 2023/24 AGAR can form the basis of an eligible objection;
objections to alleged omitted items of account cannot be eligible;
our remit does not include the work of the internal auditor, this cannot form the basis for an eligible objection;
concerns about the conduct of any member(s) of the authority should be raised with the standards committee of the district/unitary council via its monitoring officer;
concerns regarding any members of staff should be raised with the authority itself; and
concerns involving any suspicion of fraudulent misconduct should be raised directly with the Police.

In summary, we can only consider a formal objection to be eligible if it:

·      is made by an elector of the authority; and
·      relates to an item(s) within Sections 1 or 2 of the 2023/24 AGAR (as explained above); and
·      is received during the specified 30 working day public rights period set by the authority; and
·      is copied to the authority in full; and
·      specifies the facts and grounds on which the objector is relying.

What will happen if you raise an objection?
The first thing we will always ask is whether you have raised your concerns formally (i.e. in writing) with the authority in your capacity as a local elector and received a formal response from the authority. As our involvement in challenge matters is so costly to authorities (and therefore their council taxpayers), we always encourage local electors to try and resolve as many of their issues as possible direct with their authority. Please note that if the authority fails to formally respond to you, this does not preclude you from raising the relevant issues with us as objections; however, this will undoubtedly result in higher costs to the authority.

If you are not satisfied with the authority's formal response to any of your concerns, then you can raise objections to responses to the governance assertions or items of account within the 2023/24 AGAR with us as external auditors (copying in the authority). We have provided a template for you to complete if you wish. Please ensure that the objection is factual (opinion on the authority’s actions cannot be considered) and is supported by reference to documentary evidence.

After first deciding whether your objection is eligible (that is, it meets the statutory requirements to be a valid objection), we will then decide whether we will accept the objection for consideration. Even where an objection is eligible, we have wide discretion as to whether or not to accept it for further consideration. This will broadly depend on whether you have raised something in relation to which the public interest is such that further investigation/action is justified. The grounds, among others, on which we may decide not to accept the objection for further investigation include:

the cost of dealing with it would be disproportionate to the underlying sum (item of account) to which it relates;
that it is frivolous or vexatious; and/or
it is a repeat of an objection made in a prior year of account.

If an objector wishes to withdraw any or all objections to the AGAR, this can be done at any point in the process. We will still consider whether in our view the withdrawn objections have an impact on the 2023/24 AGAR or on our report on the AGAR before completing our limited assurance review of the AGAR; however, the additional reporting stages of the process will be avoided and so the costs to the smaller authority will be lower.

The objection process that we must follow is prescribed by the NAO, please see below a brief explanation for your information:

Step 1 – eligibility:
Receipt of objections;
Assessment of objections against eligibility criteria;
Notification of eligibility decisions – copied to authority; and
Confirmation of objector’s electoral status.
Step 2 – acceptance:
Assessment of eligible objections against acceptance criteria; and
Notification of acceptance decisions – copied to authority.
Step 3 – consideration & decision:
Request for information including formal response from authority in respect of accepted objections (copied to objector);
Analysis of accepted objections and information received from authority;
Request for further clarification/information from objector and/or authority if required (copied to authority/objector);
Collation and redaction of material documents as appropriate;
Sharing of material documents if not previously shared with objector;
Analysis of comments received on material documents;
Determination of accepted objections;
Decision letter including statement of reasons issued to objector (copied to authority);
Statutory reporting issued to authority if appropriate (copied to objector); and
Appeal period if our decision is not to apply to the Courts regarding an alleged unlawful item of account (21 days).
Following completion of the challenge work:
Completion of our limited assurance review of the AGAR;
External auditor report, including any challenge related reporting matters, and certificate on 2023/24 AGAR issued to authority along with invoice for the limited assurance review and the additional work as a result of challenge correspondence received.
We are required to make our best endeavours to complete Step 1 within a week of receipt, then Step 2 within a further month, then Step 3 within a further six months. Where we are not able to decide the objection within six months, we will inform the objector and the authority. If we have not been able to conclude in the meantime, we will provide further updates on progress every three months until the objection is decided.

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